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Message: those of you that retired with honor i salute you, to
the pieces of shit that we threw out,i piss on you the ones that are
thinking about starting again, the answer is fuck no! those of us that
laid the DIRTY DOZEN to rest have the say in what happens to our dice
you DON'T ! YOU ALL TOLD ME IT WAS FOREVER, BUT PORKER AND FANG AND
MYSELF ARE THE ONES KEPT THIER WORD! SO YOU CAN ALL GO BACK TO YOUR
COUCHES AND CONTINUE BEING QUITTERS! THE REST OF US WENT ON AND NOW OWN
THE WORLD. DON'T MAKE ME COME AND DEAL WITH YOU
Good morning to you too Brother. I
sincerely hope you
don't think I've become a couch potato. I still ride every fucking
day. Don't even own a running cage. I've been doing this shit since 1957
and I don't plan to quit till my heart stops beating. I may
be 70 great years of age, but I'm NOT DEAD YET! I'm no threat to
you and I for one, still consider you, Fang, Porker, and every HAMC
in Arizona my Brothers. We've rode too many miles together
to become enemies over politics. I politely keep my patch in the
closet, but you may (often) see me with dice on my shirt, worn proudly
in memory of times past. No offense (or disrespect) intended.
Hey man I saw guys with Dirty Dozen patches riding around in apache juncion. them dice without spider webs
Is that you or somebody else.
Jerry, That's not us or anybody we know, but thanks.
Thanks again for your donation Brian.
Hay those new pages are to cool. Pappy would be so proud. How I wish I live back in AZ. I want to send you this group pictures I have of 94&95 Memorial Day Runs. I live in back woods IN. and cannot find a big scanner. So if you have a P O Box I can send you. Does this mean we can fly our colors?
Name: Paul Rock
I hadda go to Netflix to watch "Angel Unchained" just to get that old time feeling again. L/H/R my brothers. Paulie.
|Name: becs/ aka Ma Barker
Message: Yesterday marked 25 years Zip, we think of you and wish you were still here. I have thought of how much I appreciate, (now) the life lessons you really taught me. True sometimes your delivery wasn't the easiest to handle and left me sometimes wanting to smack you with a cast iron skillet, but I have used those lessons as I step into my later age & man, how the fuck did you ever put up with my dumb ass for so long?....lol Larry is doing fabulous and so looks like you, damn it. He is strong, successful and finishing college. I am lonely, hard to live with and have figured it out...Fuck em and stay strong. ride on baby, Rebecca
Message: THANK YOU
BEHRIN VON BEAR BABBYS LITTLE BROTHER
In your fortune cookie:
Message: waht may be a feed store theft way back in the early 70's that may ahve to do with more than just waht two little girls from utah took from that shelf. may have to do with what may expire this yr . and
Gee... Thanks for that insight.
Message: Wow. Fun to find. Mesa Duz circa 90-94, still have you all in my heart. I'd came over to the compound, arms up, yelling "Don't Shoot! Don't Shoot!" Still cracks me up. See everyone's face so clear, but most names are mist. Orange...if he's still there, tell him Amazing never lied. Noon Til Three thing. Lonnie, Paul, Custom,92 prison run...too much fun to quantify. Everyone there, I always felt the love coming back. I warned my favorite homies I'd be praying for them, and still do. So that little thing you think sits on your shoulder, sometimes, just might be.:)
Message: i would like to no how mailman dennis doing? love finnie miss you lots after 26 yrs
Sorry to say, Dennis passed in 2008.
His obit is posted in the obituary section.
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Message: Hey bros let me know whats coming up next i miss the park deal thanks lol
Great site!! I send a few e-mails out looking for "Moose" and/or Mark. Miss the 70's (Cottonwood)!! Sorry, I did not think to clarify in my e-mail that my contact info. may be passed along, (left out my phone # but will supply it if requested) - No way do I think anyone would ever pass on anyone else's contact info. to someone they don't even know...MUCH RESPECT,
Marie A/K/A "Rie"
I knew Moose too and I have been trying to find him for
quite awhile now... I don't even know if he is still alive. I heard he
is H.A. now, but really I have no clue. From what little I have been to
H.A. events, I haven't seen him, but so many years have passed I might
not even know him if I did, but I THINK I'd recognize him anywhere! . My
GF's and I used to hang out with him, J.P. and Mark in the 70's. I
remember like it was yesterday, J.P. was killed riding back from Sedona
late one night, we were really close and I was at the funeral (I'd just
found out that I was pregnant then) ... SO SAD...
Anyway, do you ever hear from Moose or Mark- (Sorry I do not know a
nickname for Mark, I am pretty sure his last name was McClure though)? I
met Moose's wife Nancy a few times too, but it was just a short hi and
bye. I'd love to see them again and catch up on old times. We had a lot
of GOOD times!
|Name: Rings Mesa
Message: What an honor it was to ride with men of integrity and balls like fucking goats. When someone told you something, you always knew it to be true. I live in Indiana now. I would love to come back to Arizona and ride with these men of true grit. I was truly the last one to ride with Pappy and YoYo because they were strapped across my handle bars....I got pulled over and the cops found no humor in my speeding because I had Pappy and YoYo strapped across my handle bars and they were making me late for their memorial and final resting spot. I miss all of you and hope to see you in the near future.. Rings...
Message: Bear From late 60s' early 70s'. Contact me. Need to ask you important question. We didn't fuck around then. Tic
Thanks Kim and thanks for your donation.
Name: Scott Stacey
As I'm writing this I'm remembering when Haboo used to bounce me up and down on his wooden leg and we would laugh and laugh till I pissed my pants, and we'd laugh some more. That was back in 69-70. Back then all I wanted to be when I grew up was Dirty Dozen. I'm 47 now and everyday I still wish it could happen. Man, reading this page has got me all teary eyed. Oh, by the way my name is Scotty and I'm Greasy's son. Hey Melody! Mom saw the pic of you and Sonny and cried and said she missed you. Does anyone know whatever happened to Fat Al's kid Matt or Billy Jr., Burr's kid? We were pretty tight as kids. Anyways, this sight is awesome! L&R.
I grew up in Camp Verde AZ, I remember some members of the Dozen had a gas station in town, my mom was friends with them, Moose, Harpo, Turk,, these so called "outlaws" were very good to my family, when our house burned when I was 8 they (besides the fire dept) were the first ones there, gave my mom 1000 dollars, which in the 70's was ALOT of money, the drove us to Prescott AZ to see my dad who was locked up at the time, my very first ride on a harley was from Turk, a guy who never said much, I for one miss them days, the guys were not the "outlaws" that the fuzz said they were, I am not really into the whole biker club thing but if I was and I could join a club it would most definitely be the Dirty Dozen MC, if any one knows how to get into contact with Harpo, Turk, please tell them thanks for what they did for me and my family,
I remember you Melody. Really nice to hear from
you. Hope you're doing well.
Thanks for your generous donation Stevie. Nice
talkin to ya on the phone this evening. See ya at the party.
|Not DD, but I know real
bikers and real bikes when I see them. This site is a blast. The real
Thanks Fred, and thanks for
the donation. Your support is appreciated.
|Name: Lori.. aka "INGA "
Just happened to come by this site messing around on Google the other day. Classic pics and stories, I must say. I showed it to the old man "BUMPER". Anyone remember BUMP ??
I know Bumper has a shit load of pics in a box somewhere......maybe we can get some to ya in the near future. Glaze was his sponsor. Bumper is doing well, he is on dialysis now..3 days a week and his vision ain't so good, but other than that...he's the same ole' Bumper.
There is a couple of pics of him on your site. He's a lifetime member and yes, he still has his bike... Grumpys old bike. We got 22 years together now, and our daughter Kendra is in college. Time sure does fly....we had fun looking at the pics last nite and trying to remember names. That was all before we got together, but I could pick out some members...like Emo, Rusty, Gumby, Chico, Sonny, etc..
Anyways, we enjoyed the site and I will encourage him to say "hello". Later...Lori
I want to know what happen to "Red Rusty" how did he die? I was with him during the good years, Woody, Big Al, etc, When I saw this website I just about died, I always thought he would live for ever. We were together for 4 years, but I see only pictures of him and Patty and the picture you have of him has me cut off. He begged me to come back and even came and got me. I just never thought he would ever leave this life ever, he even came and tried to drag me home! What a Man there will never be another one like him!
Name: Gordon Flick
I was way too busy partyin to take pictures on Whiskey Row. Stay tuned and keep checking the New Photos page. Lots of new stuff comin soon.
|Hey there, QBall, it's Lou from down in Tucson. Love what you've done
with the site. Keeps getting better
every time I check it out. Have a good one, say "Hi!" to Ed, like the car!
Thx Again, Lou
Thanks Lou, and also for the feedback.
Message: GREAT to find DDMC!! Does anyone remember when the Dirty Dozen was a BRAND NEW club? Back in Nov 1971, I was in a band with Michael Brown, Terry Daun, and John McKibben. We set up and played at the OLD Tempe Beach Park and Papago Park all the time. One Sunday, we were at Papago playing when I heard the sweet rumble of multiple Harleys approaching. Turned out to be a brand new local bike club known as "The Dirty Dozen". After our performance was done for the day, You all liked our sound so much that we (three 15 year olds and John, who played bass and sang, was 18) were invited to play at your new years eve party coming up. Will send pictures of us from back then when we were playing at Papago Park
Hi Dirty Dozen MC-
These pics take everything back to about November 1971. My band played out at Papago Park at the different ramadas all the time. One Sunday, we were playing when you guys, the DD, a new club rode up a listened to us jam the whole afternoon. Then you guys invited us to play at your new years eve party coming up.
Thanks for the good times!!
Thanx for the photos Bob
Me neither !
Remember these stickers ?
Name: Mesa Ed
Message: To Trista;
As my Brother Q-Ball has said, this website is in a very early and transitional stage. We have just recently moved it to its permanent home at DirtyDozenMC.Com. We are trying to gather pictures, newspaper articles, video, and of course personal comments. The Club existed from the Late-Sixties through the Mid-Nineties. (Officially). The number of brothers that came and went during that time is substantial. There are however, many that came and did not go. We have spent the last five years, or so, pulling that group back together. It is through the work and memories of all these people, that we hope to create a site that will honor the lives of all Dirty Dozen Members and Associates that lived the life, and either left with their honor intact or, are still being the only thing they can be; Dirty Dozen. As for HOOVER!!! Hoover was an absolute Character. He was a close Brother of mine. We spent many days and nights in continuous CHAOS in his machine shop. Somehow, after enough trial and error, there would always be a compilation of perfect; “One Off” machined parts that would make my bike, or his, the Stand Outs. Anyway, Hoover is certainly not alone at this point. There are many fallen brothers that are not yet listed or properly remembered. It is going to take the work of all our remaining brothers to put this thing together. Please be assured that as long as I am still breathing, and as long as Q-Ball is doing the same, then that mission will be fulfilled.
Thanks, Mesa Ed
Name: Insane Jane
FRIENDS & SUPPORTERS
Why is there no mention of Hoover? He was A Dirty Dozen President as well as A Hells Angel Cave Creek charter president & yet no mention, no pictures nothing. Why is that?
Thanks for your time,
You can attach photos to an email addressed to:
Name: chuck martin
|Name: Iceman/Warlocks MC
Message: Friend of Pappy/William Carroll DDMC. I am probably the last person to ride with Pappy before his passing. Pappy was a true brother till the end. The man feared no one. He road cross country from AZ to SC three times, in failing health, towards the end of his life. He will always be remembered and respected. For anyone who was at Pappys memorial service, I was the Warlock from the east coast that gave the eulogy and spoke for Pappy that day out in New River. Good luck to all of the Dirty Dozen that are still out there. Love & Respect Dana/Iceman
im trying to reach a very old friend (Flounder) we were very close and had to leave AZ. back in the early90z Flounder and me were close friends before the patch i was there on his prospect run to hanagon medows i think late 80z early 90z its been hard to track him down after all these yrs any help would be good im 150% sure he would want to hear from me im also sure the person that brought my name to him would be a huge smile with that silver tooth
Eddie Gold Spokes 847-863-4207
i just write you about a friend of mine Flounder i was looking through your website and i see Rusty passed
DAMN i remember Rusty well he sponcered Flounder
Thanks for your post and thanks for your
donation to the website. QBall
Thanks for your post and thanks for your donation to the website. QBall
Haboo's mother-in-law here.
Had to push the "red" button just because, just because I had to be sure I wouldn't miss something maybe.
My husband Ken met some of you all over the 20 years we were married and he passed away 50 days and 12 hours before Haboo.
Just wanted to let you know that what you have put together is absolutely fantastic. It is such a tribute to a way of life that taught a bunch of people to be human and care for their fellow man. Nothing will ever replace the DDMCAZ.
Thank you for all your hard work in getting the site together.
Camile's Mom - Donna Goodison
Message: Sure miss my sparing partner and son-in-law Haboo. You all paid such a great tribute to Haboo and I am certainly proud that he was so devoted to not only his family but to all Veterans and the DDMC. Will try to make next May to say "Hi" to everyone.
Name: Brittany Raffel
I was an old aquantance / friend of Haboo's back in the
early 80's. He had a lot to do with saving me from self destruction, and
although my time with him was very short in the whole of things David
has always been in my heart. the lessons on how to hold my head high and
the courage to be myself regardless of anyones opinions of me he given
me the strength to over come many of the obsticals that have been thrown
in my way. to this day David " Haboo " Severson is my strength my I can
fight this persona ...
what I am getting at in a long about way , and fighting past each tear as I wright, if there are any pictures of him around in anyones scrap books could you or would you please e-mail me one, although I recall him squeezing in my Mustang and complaing there isnt enough room for a fly, and I remember rideing to Payson with him and Harry when they were checking out the Oxbow and they are vivid memories I miss his Smile.
Laura AKA Low Miliage
For Laura AKA Low Mileage: Hi I was
Haboos wife for 28 years and I Thank God every day for the time we had
together and still sit out and drink my coffee on my porch every morning
(which was our quiet time) asking why the FFFFF he had to leave me so
suddenly. I MISS HIM SO MUCH AND MY LIFE IS NOT THE SAME. The only thing
that is the same is the great support I have from our family of
BROTHERS. THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING HERE FOR ME!!!!!! Anyway I as you am
sitting here crying as I write this to you as Haboo gave me the same
strengths and taught me to be me! (Hey Guys I know you will read into
that what you will) If you would like to send me a private email I have
some photos I can get copied and send you a few. I am sorry you did not
know of his passing and date of his celebration of life but know that we
have an annual memorial party at my home in the Verde Valley on the 3rd
weekend in May set forever!!! Look forward to hearing from you. Thanks
for all the nice things you posted about him and God Bless, Camile AKA
I've been told by my mom, that my uncle, Don Kimbrough, was a member of DDMCAZ many years ago. Are you able to confirm this? Sadly, he died when I was a kid, so I can't ask him myself.
Message: Hey QBall hope you made it home safe & in time for the baptism. It was so good to see you it's been along time. For sure next year For Haboo's camp out Miss Camile & her family did a great job I had a good time take care will talk soon.
Message: just checking on Frank (high Apache/Mesa member) who was Arty Lyons buddy back in the 18th st. and Indian School area. In my 50's. he was always a nice guy and we watch his back growing up. Guess when you get old you dwell on the younger years.
Message: I sure miss the days with the Tucson chapter. Rooster your still remembered brother.
Name: steven bye
|Name: David "Puff" Griffis
Message: Thanks for the pictures Man. I was not DDMC. I lived in Phx. from 84 to 99 and knew quite a few of your Brothers. I have tattoo's by Dale. Glad to see that someone is keeping the memories alive.
|Name: harley the legendary
Message: Great pictures and videos. I wonder are they still around?
Yes, we're still around
Message: Wow. This all brings back a lot of memories. It's been a great life thus far!
I remember have rode many night with the DDMC. What ever happened to DD frog? Was great going down memory lane. Like out to Sunflower and up to Payson or Cottonwood. Oh those were the days!!LLR,MJmadjackvovmc@yahoo.com
|Name: brian brandon
I think this web is a godsend. I still havent found a group that can replace the greatest bros ever! The real measure of a man is the miles he puts on, and the brotherhood that fits him. no fitting in. Hey PAP, thump, LG ,Tarpley, TonyP., warren S.1%
|Name: steve D
Great site, really brings back the memories. I was the hot rod kid that lived across the street from the circle K down the street from your club house in Tucson. Thanks for posting
Message: My time with the club was short but great. Thanks to Bull, Q Ball and Rooster for the lessons on Brotherhood and Honor, I practice these qualities today. I hated to leave AZ 30 year's ago but my music took off in Nashville and I charted 3 singles on the Country Charts finally back in the 80's. Visit www.projectrecords.com and you can hear some of my songs from my CD. I Charted 1. Time Machine, 2. Shot in the Dark, and 3. Nowhere to go but crazy. Would like to hear from my old friends. Keith Haynes AKA Bear
Message: Nice! Great memories. My old man is on page 9. Zipper left my life to soon. -
Name: kris graham
Message: I found Glaze in the pics but could'nt pick out Bombo.
Message: I don't want the remix. I was just wondering how some club members made the decision to join the HA's in 1997 and if both clubs r friendly.
Nice collection of pictures brother.
Message: I enjoyed theses flix, some of your bros helped me and one of my bros out back in 1980,on a trip from Oklahoma, back when scooter people were real and the Dirty Dozen MC were strong. THX again. Tramp, Brotherhood MC
Name: Larry / the old (jaws)
Name: Michelle Levesque AKA Mrs. Lightnin
Words can not form to express my appreciation of the memories you have provided. I was able to see my Zipper front and center in one of the pics.....what a trip through memory lane. My heart is truly pounding, our son will finally get to see a long forgotten pic of his father as he really was. Alive, strong, a true brother and standing tall. Thank you so much for the time you put into this site. I miss Zipper and still proudly have his patch on my shoulder. I miss the family that I was raised with. I miss the wind. Rebecca 1982-1987 RIP Zipper
Do you have any photos from 1977 at the Golden Eagle bar in Phoenix? I have a lot of fond memories of shooting pool there during the State Fair! Also, I have always wondered what happened to 2 guys named Wolf and George Lee. There was also a huge dude who must have weighed 300 lbs easy. They were great guys!!! Miss those days. Miss that place....
|Bill, you've got know idea how
much fun it is for me to see these pics and rehash old times and places.
Living in the seattle area I don't see much of the Red @ White. It's all
Red @ Gold and for some reason I can't relate so I stay to myself. My
oldest is a former Marine (Iraq Vet) and is the only one I ride with
these days. I grew up on the corner of 69th st @ McDowell and remember
as a kid the Hell's Angles rolling by. Then in high school the Dirty
Dozen became the home town club. Did the DD have a chapter in Tucson
I watched "Angles unchained" the other night. What a riot seeing those boys. Don't think Tic was there but did see Cheeta, Haboo, Caveman and a few others. Lame Dennis? Do you remember Warlord, I think he had only one leg lost it in Nam or something. 30 years! Don't think about it much till I see myself in a mirror. Thanks Bro
REPLY from tic
for Chris's comment, I was in Angels
Unchained. They paid us $40 a day and beer! Hog Jimmy and I were in
the whole movie; Fight Scenes, Riding Scenes, but were too fucked at
the commune scenes. ( Old Indian actor had some LSD )
HEY Q-BALL TRYING TOO FIND HAWKEYE LAST I HEARD HE WAS IN STRAWBERRY HE IS THE ONE THAT GAVE ME MY NICKNAME ME HIM JONI WHERE GOOD FRIEND SO IF U COULD TELL HIM TOO GET A HOLD OF ME IF U CAN
MARK LOEFFLER (SCRAMBLER)
Tell Brother Ken that if needs anything let me know…we spent some time travel with the feds…USP Atlanta , EL Reno , and Lewisburg.
Our last was at MSCO medical unit….making sure he’s ok
Let’s not forget the ‘Store” on W. Indianschool Rd.
I’d like to make the Florence run, someday…
Was Nic a Tic also a dozen member
REPLY from QBall
Ignorant KMA questions deserve KMA answers. Don't bait me. Go read tic's website.
REPLY from Nicatic
SL ( Shane Lynn, San Diego District Attorney's Office ) is the asshole who has Frmr HA Pres Steve Sanders and myself tied up in court for 2 years now. (see www.Nicatic.com Home Page "HA Trial San Diego" ) "In my opinion", SL needs his ass kicked.
Love and respect -
S1: dont care what anybody says still the coolest patch i ever saw, dont seem like home anymore, loved being from here go to other states and my ariz plate on bike made me king shit in most states not because im some super tough creep ,but because of duz rep ,i dug it, im thinking the day i die ill think bout that patch, paradise tavern sidelines garys lounge foggy bottom whiskers west store west ,that was fun shit , was asked to be duz numerous times but i was a lost sole a lil petty creep ,im proud to be from ariz and have the dirtiest creeps in this country represent us, you do a felon good, thanks for the times
S1: I found your website while doing some searching for old DD friends for my old man, Rob. He patched over to the Red & White back in the day but you might have known him as "Pretty Boy". I believe his brothers rode with the dozen too. I'm also in touch with an old brother of yours, "Bear" (Mark). Are you familiar with the website "Tic" has? It's also a tribute to the Dozen. His link is NICATIC.Com you might want to check it out. Anyway, great pictures. I was trying to find some of Rob but I didn't see any. Take care and have a great day! Jennifer
Wow I like the web site. My dad is in there. Never really saw many pictures of him from back it the day before I was born. Thanks
Hello, I found your website, I have been looking for old photographs of my father. He was in the dirty dozen (arizona). There were a few up on your website, I was wondering if you have any more. Please feel free to contact me anytime via e-mail. If you do not have anymore, i apologize for the inconvenience. Thank you - Melissa
>My name is Kerri. I saw something today that reminded me of my father so I searched Dirty Dozen in AZ, I found your web site.
On page nine of your site I found a picture of my father, I just about fell out of my chair! I don’t have very many
pictures of my father. My father passed away almost 23 years ago.
I would love to know if you have any other pictures of him you are willing to share. His name is Jerry and he went by Zipper.
I certainly don’t want or expect you to go through things looking for pictures, just hoping or wondering if you happen to have something
on your computer that you wouldn’t mind passing along in an email.
Thank you so much for taking a few minutes to think about it. Oh, and I did try to send this a time or two through your
site but I don’t think it worked. I hope you don’t get several of these email and I’m sorry if you do, I didn’t mean to bombard you.
Have a great day,
Kerri, Daughter of Jerry, AKA Zipper Email email@example.com
HEY NOW, YA I REMEMBER YOU,
A LOT OF GOOD OLD DAYS BACK THEN,
THIS IS FANG BEEN DOWN HERE SINCE WE STARTED IN AZ. CHUCKLES AND MARK ARE ALSO HERE AND A FEW MORE OLD D.D UP NORTH, WAS WONDERING WHAT EVER HAPPENED WITH EVERYONE..
STOP BY SOMETIME, HEARD YOU WERE A LITTLE WAYS OUT OF TOWN RUNNING A MOTEL SOMEWHERES.
Hey Fang - Glad to hear from you Brother.
Message: Thank u for the ole pics. Some of these Chuck Martin and I had in a small storage building when we lived in his moms place in Mesa, not sure if he still has them as i have not seen him in a few years. Was looking to see if he made the reunion. Have a great day and IF you see him or talk to Chuck give them my email.
Message: Hello all this is awesome seeing all my many "uncles"!! I'm the son of Non-Stop, now that being said I'm here to tell everyone that the wrong my dad did on the club was WRONG!!!!! We all know the carnal biker rule!!! I would like to personally say I'm sorry to the club!! Now I'm not wanting to stir a shit storm here I'm just sayin my peace & sayin I'm miss all the brothers!! I'm mean how many kids grow up with over 50 uncles, or learn how to count one, fives, tens from the club strippers!! Only a club rug rat!!! Thank you all for your time!! Lucky
Message: My sister found this page, and it brought back so many great memories, it also brought a few tears of sadness. One of the pictures I saw, from Haboo's party 2010 showed a grave marker with Haboo's name on it, is it true? I left Phoenix in 89 and lost touch with everyone, but still retain the memories of parties, bars (Dirty Harry's, Warsaw Wally's and Jesse's to name a few) I use to manage the Pipes Etc on 42nd and Thomas and 43rd ave and Indian School.
|Name: Laura AKA Low Milage
Message: Thanks to a Handful of DDMC members I was accepted into " Harry's " even though I was under age. I was looked after and protected like everyones little sister , Clay & Margie were Mom and Dad most of the Time. Haboo , My Best friend gave me the strength to believe in myself... I still carry that ! And BULLDOG Steve Yeah I learned to Bark out orders and Look mean :) thanks but i still dont know how to be mean. thanks for all the warm memories now and all the Love and support then when I needed it the most! Laura
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